Yesterday we had our cuts and copy session for an upcoming program on forgiveness and revenge and today we recorded the script. I am now looking for music to use in the program and thought I’d reach out to you for help. What music do you find evocative in expressing forgiveness? How about the desire for revenge? It doesn’t necessarily have to be a song explicitly about these themes, and thus instrumental pieces are always welcome.

So, whaddya got? I am all ears!


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153Reflections

Reflections

Just about anything from the "Dead Man Walking" soundtrack would fit.

How about "Forgiven" by Denison Witmer?

George Harrison: "All Things Must Pass"

Oh! Good suggestion!

"A Moment of Forgiveness" The Indigo Girls

"Watch the Girl Destroy Me" by Possum Dixon

Here is a powerful piece that may work for you. Called:

Awakening with the Heartbeat of Rock and Raga
by Tulshi Sen

There is a sample at:

http://www.yogaunlimited.com/A...

It says, "Consciousness creates reality, Consciousness creates my reality..."

Both forgiveness and revenge will create your reality - which is why we can be conscious of which we do.

This is a fast version, there is also a slower version with the same words too called Consciousness Rising with the Music of the Cosmos by Tulshi Sen.

http://www.yogaunlimited.com/C...

Patti Smith has a song called "Revenge," and "A Quick One (While He's Away)" by the Who ends with a chorus of "You are forgiven," but I can't think of any single song that features both revenge and forgiveness ("I'll have my revenge, but I forgive you"?).

Hi! Heard about your search from Trent on facebook. Go to sophia-records.com. Click on the album "Dancing in the Fire." The song "I Forgive" is probably the fourth or fifth track. You can scan the tracks on the toolbar at the top of the page, find the song, and hit play, and it will begin playing immediately..... Hope you think it might work! It has some really evocative parts... especially the end. Let me know what you think! Cecelia

Tracy Chapman: Sorry

Beyonce- Irreplaceable
Justin Tmberlake- what goes around comes around & cry me a river
Eminem – Stan
Lily Allen – smile
Alanis Morissette - You Oughta Know
Badu - Tyrone

Eamon "I Don't Want You Back''

Forgiven, by Deb Talan.

Enya: "watermark" was first thing that came to mind. reminds me of peace and forgiveness.

How about "The Lord's Prayer" ... and forgive us or debts as we forgive our debtors.... the organ instrumental might be nice. And for a more folky suggestion, The Indigo Girls', "Moment of Forgiveness"

Leonard Cohen: The Law, Hallelujah (from the album Various Positions, 1984)

Jennifer Warnes, First We Take Manhattan (from Famous Blue Raincoat, which is an album of Leonard Cohen songs)

My request, not song-related: Will Krista consider a program on Leonard Cohen? Such a program will have immense appeal in Canada! CBC will air it for sure!

Wings of Forgiveness - The Eagles or India Aire
Time is a Healer - Eva Cassidy
Faithful - Meshell Ndegeocello

Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan

I really love the twisted empathetic perspective of these lines.

"I wish for just one time you could stand inside my shoes,
and just for that one moment I could be you
Yes I wish that for just one time you could stand in my shoes,
you'd know what a drag it is to see you"

I guess it fits somewhere in between forgiveness and revenge.

The Indigo Girls have a song "Moment of Forgiveness," which is good. Mason Jennings also has a song called "Forgiveness," and one of my favorite of his songs is "Darkness Between the Butterflies" about how the people we love and are in relationship with have a past that we will never know all the details of -- and that's okay -- that they have loved other people before us, and not getting caught up in jealousy about that. It's a great song, check it out.

Thanks for asking!

Maybe..."Bank Job" from Barenaked Ladies (Barenaked Ladies Are Me album)

Annie Lennox has a very raw and courageous song about the rage of a love ended, thoughts of revenge that then lead to an awakening of forgiveness for one's self..It is off her "Bare" album and the track is called 'Bitter Pill'....it is a very powerful song and evoke much imagery for many....and as I woman who is facing her Rage within and trying to constructively release it so not to poison my body The Temple, or hurt anyone around my sphere of influence...it speaks volumes to me, and I bet it will to others.

"Angry Any More" by Ani Difranco

"Digging in the DIrt" by Peter Gabriel

"Be My Enemy" by the Waterboys

Embrace - "Can't Forgive." Embrace is the second project of famed Punk/Straight Edge innovator Ian McKay. It's Punk rock, but with a heartfelt and positive message.

MUST include Alanis Morrisette's "You Oughtta Know." Very angry, very cathartic. For months after I was betrayed by my (now ex) husband, I played this repeatedly in my car while driving and shouting the lyrics. I'm much better now. :-)

MUST include Alanis Morrisette's "You Oughtta Know." Very angry, very cathartic. For months after I was betrayed by my (now ex) husband, I played this repeatedly in my car while driving and shouting the lyrics. I'm much better now. :-)

"Why Shouldn't We?" Mary Chapin Carpenter, The Calling
"I Take My Chances" Mary Chapin Carpenter, Come On, Come
"Forgiveness" Jennifer Cutting, Ocean: Songs of the Night
"Stir Up The Flame", Marcus Meier
"The Wall" Bruce Springsteen & Joe Gruchensky
"Amazing Grace", John Newton
"Abide with Me", Henry Francis Lyte
Requiem, Johannes Brahms, movement one

The worst song ever written from point of view of both words and performance: Nancy Sinatra "singing" "These Boots Are Made For Walking." I wish I was joking....

Jonathan Rundman's "Forgiveness Waltz," off his albums Sound Theology (www.saltladyrecords.com)

Anyway by Suzzy and Maggie Roche. From the Zero Church CD... there are probably other ones on there that are relevant also.

"Future Markets" by Johnny Greenwood from the "There Will Be Blood" Soundtrack is a perfect revenge song. Although there are no words it evokes a strong feeling of calculating a revenge plot.

Have you heard "Bitch" by Sevendust? Very angry revenge song.

well this isn't a song, but there is a really great documentary called Love Lived on Death Row that I recently saw that really draws out these themes. The web site if you want to check it out or include it in the program is:
www.lovelivedondeathrow.com

Hey Mitch - I was thinking I'd throw my tuppence in, but they've been named - Ani Difranco, Denison Witmer... although Julie Lee does have a gorgeous song on her new EP called "forgive yourself" - i... as well as putting Emily Dickinson's poem "Hope's the thing with feathers" to a lovely, lazy, lullaby bluegrass melody.
I think Lisa Gerrard's "Non Clamor" captures the profundity and depth of emotion of any human impact, and "Streamside" which is a lovely joint venture between Sigur Rós and The Album Leaf feels somehow healing.
I'm glad you asked the question about music though - this ties in with my own work... Forgiveness discussion, not music. I run a programme in Belfast that puts educational resources on Forgiveness together - mostly for classroom curricular based programmes, but also for youth and adult groups - so I'll be scouring the other readers' suggestions.
I'm looking forward to the show. As always, a thousand goodnesses and thanks to the whole SoF team.

Thanks for asking! I am responding quickly just now, but may add some ideas in the next couple of days. What immediately comes to mind is a contemporary hymn by Marty Haugen (GIA Publications, Inc; Chicago) called Healer of our Every Ill. It's also arranged for handbells and available on their web site (giamusic.com/sacred_music).
Instrumentally, the Méditation from Thaïs by Massanet is very evocative - this might do it.

Hmmm, how about "Moment of Forgiveness" by the Indigo Girls and "Angry Anymore" by Ani diFranco, and maybe "The Wood Song" by the Indigo Girls. Not explicitly about forgiveness per se, but about growth...

"Forgiveness" motive from Act IV of Mozart's The Marriage of Figaro. Sublime.

"One Tin Soldier"

"Forgiveness" by Patty Griffin (from her first album)

Patty Griffin, "Forgiveness"
I don't think anyone has said it better.

Iris Dement (cover by Susan Tedeschi) "Sweet Forgiveness"

Oh, and I must second the notion of Ani Difranco, "Not Angry Anymore"

Jonathan Rundman is an indie folk-rock-pop singer/songwriter from Minneapolis. His song "Forgiveness Waltz" is heartbreakingly emotive as well as theological. www.jonathanrundman.com.

Forgiveness: For Good, from the musical, Wicked!, by Stephen Schwartz.

Also, the "Agnus Dei" choral piece that is set to Barber's Adagio for Strings.

I'm thinking that "Doubting Thomas" by Nickle Creek may be a nice one. "...Sometimes I ask for a slap on the face, then I beg for forgiveness 'cuz I'm a coward..."

"Let Go and Move"
With all that has been, take lessons. Take lessons and be grateful. Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go! Let go and move, move on, move on__
Words by Candy Butler, Music my Velma Frye, on album, Seven Sacred Pauses, Singing Mindfuly Dawn Through Dark by Velma Frye

Looks like you've got some great playlists for your iPod!

Forgiveness:
"Please Forgive Me" by Bryan Adams,
"The Heart of the Matter" by Don Henley
"Apologize" One Republic

Revenge:
"A Boy Named Sue" by Johnny Cash is all about revenge.

Billy Joel: Everybody Loves You Now... his true story revenge song, for which he eventually sought forgiveness.
Dixie Chicks: Earl. Terminal revenge.

How about "Ode to Billy Joe" by Bobby Gentry

Revenge - the first song that comes to my mind is "A Mighty Fortress is our God". I think about how God will take care of my problems (if I turn them over to God), and how God will protect me within the walls of God's fortress.

Favorite vengeance song: Amy Rigby's "Keep it to Yourself." Not very spiritually uplifting, but hysterical. Got me and my roommate through the dark early days of her divorce, before we moved on to the forgiveness stage.

My personal favorite...
Gabriel's Oboe from The Mission soundtrack -an instrumental snippet that gently washes away the daily grime and calls forth the spirit of absolution.

Melanie

“Later Days” by Over the Rhine (off the album Good Dog, Bad Dog)
“Suitcase” by Over the Rhine (off the album Ohio)
“We’re Gonna Pull Through” by Over the Rhine (off the album Snow Angels)
“Start a War” by The National (off the album Boxer)
“I Forgive You” (Instrumental) by Linford Detweiler (off the album Grey Ghost Stories)
“Skeleton Key” by Margot & The Nuclear So and So’s (The Dust of Retreat)
“In the Sun” by Joseph Arthur (off the album Come To Where I’m From)
“Casimir Pulaski Day” by Sufjan Stevens (off the album Come On Feel The Illinois)
“For the Widows In Paradise, for the Fatherless In Ypsilanti” by Sufjan Stevens (off the album Greetings From Michigan)
“Rain” by Patty Griffin (off the album 1000 Kisses)
“I Hung My Head” by Johnny Cash (off the album American IV: The Man Comes Around)

My personal favorite...
Gabriel's Oboe from The Mission soundtrack -an instrumental snippet that gently washes away the daily grime and calls forth the spirit of absolution.

Melanie

John Prine's "Sweet Revenge" would be fun, although, now that I have looked at the lyrics, I have no idea what he was talking about...

"I Forgive You" by Darren Hayes
"Chariot" by Gavin DeGraw
"It Is Well With My Soul" by Levi Kreis feat. Darci Monet
"Tangled" by Maroon 5
"Hero" by The Makepeace Brothers
"Open Wide My Heart" by Matthew West
"The Love of God" by MercyMe
"Here With Me" by MercyMe

"Change" by Tears for Fears, off their first album, The Hurting.

Upbeat alternatives:
Revenge—"Not Big" by Lily Allen
Forgiveness—"Sorry My Friend" by Save Ferris

How about "Go Your Own Way" by Fleetwood Mac? Whew! There's nothing like making your ex-girlfriend sing a song about how angry you are at her at the dissolution of your relationship...

"What I Cannot Change" - Lee Ann Rimes
"Maybe" - Kelly Clarkson
"Hear Me Out" - Frou Frou
"The Letting Go" - Melissa Ethridge
"Goodbye" - Secondhand Serenade

I think that "A Boy Named Sue" is probably the strongest suggestion I've heard on here so far -- though I disagree with Sam... It's ultimately not about revenge so much as forgiveness...

I was also thinking of "Frankie & Albert" -- which Bob Dylan covers brilliantly on his album Good as I Been to You...

2001 CD called "Zero Church" with a song called "Anyway" with lyrics attributed to Mother Teresa.
The collection grew out of the Institute of Arts & Civic Dialogue at Harvard. One of the vocalists is with the acapella quintet Sweet Honey in the Rock that also might have music that would be appropriate.

A couple of revenge songs for the list:
Left Me for Dead (Rob Dougan, Furious Angels), particularly around 3:30
I Want My Innocence Back (Emilie Autumn, Opheliac)

For the revenge/anger times, I've always liked Paula Cole's Throwing Stones from her album This Fire.

Angry Any More -- Ani DiFranco

night falls like people into love
we generate our own light
to compensate
for the lack of light from above
every time we fight
a cold wind blows our way

but we learn like the trees
how to bend
how to sway and say

i, i think i understand
what all this fighting is for
and baby, i just want you to understand
that i'm not angry anymore
no, i'm not angry anymore

Forgiveness patty griffin

Dylan's ironic "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" straddles both forgiveness and revenge. The words of forgiveness coupled with the bitter sentiment they really express creates one of the most honest and accurate songs about the complicated feelings of breaking up with someone. Joan Baez's cover I find layered because of her frustrated feelings for Dylan; however, the most strangely compelling version of this song is by Peter, Paul and Mary. Their quasi-cheerful aura make the underlying sentiment of the song that much more powerful. However, the lyrics are by no means limited to relationships; I remember singing this song while driving back home from Wheaton College for the last time, knowing I had quit evangelicalism for good.

"Rehearsal" by "Pedro the Lion"

(the themes of 'revenge'--or the recourse of thought to adversity in relationships and the hardness of life--and 'forgiveness' are present throughout much of the lyricism of David Bazan of Pedro the Lion)

Nick Cave's "The Mercy Seat" as covered by Johnny Cash.

great question and I note a lot of Johnny Cash songs already cited. as I believe that there are multiple steps from revenge to forgiveness, i'll toss into the ring for your consideration his song "hurt" by Cash and of course the "soft-version" bu nine inch nails works. good luck; more interesting is what religious thinker or therapapist can get your from a to b.

jean-pierre, by miles davis ( "we want miles" album)

Excellent choice!
Yogini Sun

Hello Mitch, I am Terra-Raye and I have just completed a CD of mostly my original compositions. I have a poem called 'Peace', that is performed to music on the CD. I wrote this as I was on my way to the Middle East 10 years ago to lead many group prayer ceremonies with Israelies and a few Muslims and Christians attended as well during the 18 or so circles we led. I continue my peace work through ceremonial prayer in this country, my music, writing and speaking.

My poem is about all of the good things that are happening, we do not hear about, expressed as Light that I call, "Blue Flame Torch of Truth carving with surgical certainty through eons of impacted beliefs exposing the wound to the lazer light of love. Ancient pain screams out retaliating with hardened habits of havok, yet gentle holds the healer of the crying child allowing the pain to flow, expressing the tears of time......"

That is just a taste of the begining. It is a call to all of us to "hold the Blue Flame of Light holding gentle, yet firm our embrase for those who continue to fight".

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for. It all means looking at the world problems with a healing heart of forgivness, thereby ending the emotional war, thereby contributing the actual ending of this impossible, illogical way humanity relates to itself. Thank you for the invitaion to contribute.
I look forward to hearing from you. I do not have a website yet, but if you Google Terra-Raye Peace you will find many thing I have been doing in the past few years to promote peace.

There is a song called The Perfect Revenge by Kevin Faherty. I know it through Darryl Purpose's album Gift of the Magi. I love Darryl Purpose's version; I've never heard the original. Great acoustic song:

Come to me in anger
your weapon is your tongue
You don't see the danger
in this stranger you've become

justified with reasons
all on pride's behalf
your heart shook the hand of treason
and signed a solemn pact

A stone for a stone
an eye for an eye
That's a rocky road to travel down so blind
why not make a point no armor can defend
at a time like this forgiveness is the perfect revenge

et cetera...

Phillips, Craig and Dean "Let me introduce you to a friend named Grace". A great song.

"beautiful dawn" by the wailin' jennys

'Just between you an me' by dctalk

Faultlines, by The Mountain Goats (off of All Hail West Texas)! The song's somewhat (it always seems to me) about the dysfunctional desire for revenge and how it ends up binding you (the revenger) with the Other (the revengee). And (again, it seems to me) that these themes are explored musically as well as lyrically...
Hope you agree!

LOL! How about "I used to love her, but I had to kill her" by Guns-n-Roses? Not sure about the name of the song, but it is the ubiquitous tongue-in-cheek getting the ultimate revenge song! :)

Also, for some reason, the entire "I am Shelby Lynne" CD reminds me of hurt/revenge/forgiveness. If you're lucky, forgiveness overrides the revenge....

Have a great day!

Wow! It's a good thing this program got pushed back a few weeks--I've got some serious listening to do!!!

A sincere thanks, for all who replied.

Interesting to see the ratio of revenge songs to forgiveness songs--no commentary, just...interesting.

I've just heard Dr. Anthony Cicoria play his "Lightning Sonata", absolutely beautiful. He's an orthopedic surgeon who, three weeks after being struck by lightning, developed an intense love of piano music eventually learning to play and compose his own. It's breathtakingly beautiful. I understand the CD will be out in two weeks or so. Please give it a listen.

Also, from the David Roth album "Rising in Love" I suggest "That Kind of Grace" and "May the Light of Love."

How about Weezer "Butterfly"

This is probably too late . . . but I thought I'd throw it into the hat. Jonathan Elias composed a long piece of music called "The Prayer Cycle." The musicians on the CD include Alanis Morissette, James Taylor, Salif Keita, Perry Farrell, John Williams, Linda Ronstadt, the late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, the American Boychoir and the English Chamber Orchestra and Chorus. There are 7 movements: Mercy, Strength, Hope, Compassion, Grace, Innocence, Forgiveness, Benediction, Faith. The composer wrote a poem for each movement. It's a deeply moving piece of music.

I always thought that the character Salieri, in the movie Amadeus, had it right when he says, as he watches the fourth act of Mozart's "The Marriage of Figaro","l saw a woman...disguised in her maid's clothes...hear her husband speak the first tender words he'd offered her in years. Simply because he thinks she is someone else. l heard the music of true forgiveness filling the theatre...conferring on all who sat there perfect absolution. God was singing through this little man...to all the world.

I'll confess to being a bit biased here, but folk singers Anne Hills and David Roth co-wrote and recorded a song some fifteen years ago titled "That Kind of Grace." The song, written in the car as they were listening to radio reports of the riots in L.A. following the Rodney King verdict, tells several stories of racist violence where forgiveness was a response of the parents, in the cases of the church bombings and Michael Donald, or a plea for peace was spoken, as in King's remarks to the press, as quoted in the final verse. It is a powerful song about forgiveness found on the benefit tape titled "That Kind of Grace" which was recorded for the Carole Robertson Learning Center in Chicago, and on David Roth's album "Rising in Love" (Available on iTunes)

"That Kind of Grace" (Hills/Roth)

Sunday morning Birmingham, quiet in the church
Bombs were planted, house of God, children's blood on the cross
And your daughter she was one, angel without wings
How could anyone forgive those who do such things.

Chorus
And when I sing Amazing Grace, your face is what I see.
I hope someday that kind of grace will find its way through me.

Friday evening in Mobile, Klansman killing time,
Saw young Michael walking by, he would do just fine.
Quiet student, mother's best, pleading for his life
Strung him up to make a point, sharper than a knife,

Eula May his mother stood, people all around
In the court room listening as the truth was found
From her mouth no curses fell, no profanity
"I would do to others as I'd have them do to me."

Chorus
And when I sing Amazing Grace, your face is what I see.
I hope someday that kind of grace will find its way through me.

Thursday afternoon in the car, turn the radio on,
The verdict in Los Angeles, Oh what have we done
Images of violence, yellow black and white
52 dead, millions lost, who can win this fight

And on the screen a face of tears, trembling through and through
One we've seen so many times beaten on the news
I could barely hear the words, full of fear and doubt
"People we can't live like this, we've got to work this out"

Chorus
And when I sing Amazing Grace, your face is what I see.
I hope someday that kind of grace will find its way through me.

The song closes with an accapella singing of the first verse of Amazing Grace, which almost always evokes audience participation at Anne and/or David's live shows.

The Prayer Cycle, a "choral symphony in nine movements" - music and text by Jonathan Elias, is a CD with musicians from around the world. It makes my hair stand up and sparks fly. Movement VII is entitled Forgiveness, with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (Urdu), Ofra Haza (Hebrew) and the English Chamber Chorus (French).

Re: Pentecosts and Sara Palin. Tippett, How could you possibly present Palin and her church in such a totally positive light? Why not talk about the prejudice they teach and project in relation to gay people and others? Palin and congregation had a Pray for Gay week in which they prayed for gays to change to straights. When do people get it, that gays are born gay, happy to be gay, close to God and gay, blessed by God and gay, full of love and light with wonderful parners, long term relationships, children, community, the whole deal. Let's be real, honest and full of integrity, and present the whole picture about Palin and Pentecosts. Ellen Cheney

Jimmy Buffett's Frank and Lola, and When the Wild Life Betrays me.

Prodigal Son by Sam Amidon is a really wonderful and haunting folk song about admitting guilt and the resulting forgiveness.

'The song "Happiness" by Glen Hansard / The Swell Season - it is a beautiful song about forgiveness...

Personally, I find that while forgiveness is so difficult, the act of revenge usually brings me back to... forgiveness. In moments of forgiveness, I find myself surrounded by the comforting tones of Moonlight Sonata: the repetition brings dark tones, but the higher accents leave a sense of neutrality. I am left with a piece that saturates my anger and brings light to the next breathing moment.

In angered passion, I find the eccentric sounds of Nine Inch Nails' album "Only", specifically "Why do you get all the love in the world" to be a track that, through sound, helps amplify and subdue any emotions of anger or revenge. I can live out the moment during the span of this song and by the end, I am completely through the range of emotion: revenge only begins another cycle for anger.

not sure if I am too late for this. The band "Rage against the Machine" often expresses the feelings of revenge (to me, a more righteous brand). Maybe the Beastie Boys (later) might express forgiveness, especially with one's self.
thanks for asking

A song of forgiveness my might be "The Face of Love" off the Dead man walking cd. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan.

how about Fish and Whistle by John Prine? You know..."Father forgive us for what we must do, you forgive us, we'll forgive you. We'll forgive each other til we both turn blue, then we'll whistle and go fishin' in heaven."

Just going over the show and this came to mind:
John Legend, "Ordinary People"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

"Love Sick" from Bob Dylan is a spooky lost love ballad.

I love it, but it creeps me out.

"This Perfect World" by Freedy Johnston is one of those songs that is both powerfully heartbreaking and healing all at once. It's up for grabs if the character speaking in the song receives the forgiveness he wants, but clearly this song captures a moment that breaks through past hurts and as he stands vulnerable and naked in the presence of the one (a daughter?) who he has avoided as she has avoided him.

You oughta see your face
You oughta hear your voice
Last time I was here
I wouldn't turn around
You oughta lock that door
Somebody might get in
Didn't I teach you that

This perfect world
So blue I can't begin to say
This perfect world
I know I never should have gone away
But I still deserve to say goodbye
No matter what I've done

I see her in your face
Hear her in your voice
Last time I was here
They found her in the lake
You oughta see my scar
You think I'm made of stone
Didn't you tell me that

This perfect world
So blue I can't begin to say
This perfect world
They say that soon I will be gone away
But I still deserve to say goodbye
No matter what I've done

Now I've gone around it's far too late
And these pills won't even let me cry
No one knows you even when you're gone
But I still deserve to say goodbye
No matter what I've done
No matter what I've done

You oughta see your face
You oughta hear your voice
Lock this after me

I suggest: "I Confess" by The English Beat

"Fallaste Corazon" by Cuco Sanchez, if you understand spanish! It begins with Y tú que te creías el rey de todo el mundo; y tú que nunca fuiste capaz de perdonar ...
("And you who took yourself to be the king of the world; you who were never capable of pardoning anyone.... now you're asking for tenderness, if only out of pity..." Seemingly about a proud man who has been cruel and heartless in the past but now has fallen in love with the one person who is not inclined to love him back and is brought to his knees, possibly even by the one who is savouring this moment highly.)

I find it very pleasurable to listen to! You just think, HA. Now you know how it feels, sucker. No matter how nice you are by nature!

'Perfect Disguise' by Modest Mouse. Actually, a fair amount of songs written by Isaac Brock could fit into these catagories

Track: "Lesson Learned"
Artist: Ray Lamontagne
Album: Till the Sun Turns Black

Ahh, Music as catharsis. Good medicine to me. Here's a few excerpts from one of my fav's on the subject.

Idiot Wind by Bob Dylan

I woke up on the roadside, daydreamin bout the way things sometimes are
Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are makin me see stars.
You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies.
One day youll be in the ditch, flies buzzin around your eyes,
Blood on your saddle.

Idiot wind, blowing through the flowers on your tomb,
Blowing through the curtains in your room.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
Youre an idiot, babe.
Its a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

It was gravity which pulled us down and destiny which broke us apart
You tamed the lion in my cage but it just wasnt enough to change my heart.
Now everythings a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped,
Whats good is bad, whats bad is good, youll find out when you reach the top
Youre on the bottom.

I noticed at the ceremony, your corrupt ways had finally made you blind
I cant remember your face anymore, your mouth has changed, your eyes
Dont look into mine.
The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building
Burned.
I waited for you on the running boards, near the cypress trees, while the springtime
Turned slowly into autumn.

Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull,
From the grand coulee dam to the capitol.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
Youre an idiot, babe.
Its a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I cant feel you anymore, I cant even touch the books youve read
Every time I crawl past your door, I been wishin I was somebody else instead.
Down the highway, down the tracks, down the road to ecstasy,
I followed you beneath the stars, hounded by your memory
And all your ragin glory.

I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now Im finally free,
I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me.
Youll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above,
And Ill never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love,
And it makes me feel so sorry.

Idiot wind, blowing through the buttons of our coats,
Blowing through the letters that we wrote.
Idiot wind, blowing through the dust upon our shelves,
Were idiots, babe.
Its a wonder we can even feed ourselves.

Track: "Wishing Well"
Artist: David Francey
Album: Waking Hour

Track: Reconciliation
Artist: Eileen Ivers
Album: Eileen Ivers & Immigrant Soul

The classic . . . Stagger Lee in any of its many incarnations

This is late, but if your list permits additions, please consider:

French, Frith, Kaiser, Thompson (Richard)

Song: "The Killing Jar" Album: Invisible Means

I was late for class one afternoon because I couldn't break away from this song. I ordered the CD when I returned home. This is Faulknerian acid blues, painful and disturbing, more depravity than vengeance, a few shades darker than Hendrix's "Hey Joe." Talk about attraction of the abomination!

Melissa Manchester's "Come in from the Rain..."

Melissa Manchester's "Come in from the Rain..."

Mercy Now from album with the same name by Mary Gauthier.

"Tired of being sorry" by Ringside

"Tired of Being Sorry" by Ringside on Ringside

"Forgive Us," John McCutcheon's song, begins with a remembrance of saying the Lord's Prayer. It also movingly references the brutal killing of an Amish schoolgirl by a disturbed man, and the ability of the Amish to forgive.

"I'll Come Running Back to You" by Sam Cooke

"1000 Candles, 1000 Cranes" by Small Potatoes

"Railroaded" by Matthew Ryan

"I repent" by Derek Webb is a beautiful song that captures the emotions of what it is like to be in the moment of genuinely asking someone for forgiveness. In the beginning of the song you can hear the angst in Webb's voice as he lists waits in limbo for those he has forgiven to decide whether or not to forgive him. As the song goes on though, it becomes less about being forgiven and more about the healing process that simply asking for forgiveness can have on ones soul

Suzanne Vega's The Queen and The Soldier is often misunderstood, IMHO. To me it's about taking revenge for what one does not want to hear or understand. I'd really like to hear what other's think. Jan

Led Zepplin - Your Time is Gonna Come

I can't think of a better song than India.Arie's "Wings of Forgiveness."
She's a model of mature, evolved, healthy living. I am so inspired by her work.

Tom Waits ~ Road to Peace
Cat Stevens ~ Moonshadow
~ I'll Fly Away, O sinnerman (old hymns)
Nina Simone ~ For All We Know

songs of coming apart & coming together

Amazing Grace, hymn

The show aired already, but I keep thinking about it, so for future reference
Here are some soundbites;

Damhnait Doyle- Never Too Late
off hypedramatic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCmG8F...

no, it's never to late to forgive
you're not to blame, you were just a child
lay down your armor and learn to live
no, it's never to late to forgive
(water, water, water everywhere
and n'er a drop to drink, you've gotta
let your hair down, so you can think)

Luka Bloom- I Need Love, LL Cool J
Off The Acoustic Motorbike
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuJdAv...

All I know is that I'll never dish another raw deal
Playing make believe pretending that I'm true
Holding in my laugh as I say I love you
Say no more I whisper in your ear
I say I love you and I will always be here
And though I often reminisce I can't believe that I've found
Desire for true love floating around
I need love

Rosie Flores Iris Dement - God may forgive you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

'cause God may forgive you, but I won't
Yes, Jesus loves you, but I don't
They don't have to live with you and neither do I
You say that you're born again, well so am I
God may forgive you, but I won't
and I won't even try

Alanis Morissette Thank You from The Collection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

How 'bout me not blaming you for everything
How 'bout me enjoying the moment for once
How 'bout how good it feels to finally forgive you
How 'bout grieving it all one at a time

Abrasive Wheels- Find Your Heart Lyrics

It's time for all religions
To live without division
It's our choice, hear out voice, scream until they listen
But there must be a way
We can live without hate
We don't have to fight for everything we've got
Is this the price you want to pay
Don't let the system tear us apart
Open your eyes and you'll find your heart
Be part of the cure and not the disease
'cause how can you bleed if you ain't got a heart

Footloose- Can you find it in your heart

Can you find it in your heart to forgive her?
Can you stop and see there's part of her that's trying to obey
While part of her is dying to run away?
Can't you hear what's she's trying to say?
Can you find it in your soul to accept her?
If she stumbles on your holy path do you have to reprimand?
Or are there ways to make her understand
Without using the back of your hand?

Mitch -

Kudos to including Jimi Hendrix's cover of "Hey Joe"... in my 28 years of existence I always understood the theme of that song in the context of revenge. Broken apart it is quite... blatant and over the top, but regardless, a great tune.

Cheers.

John McCutcheon has a song called "Forgive Us" you may want to add to this list. The album is called "This Fire: Politics, Love & Other Small Miracles." Directly references the Lord's Prayer and also the shooting of five Amish school girls at Nickle Mines, PA.

For a lighter take on the subject: "I Just Wanna Be Mad For Awhile" as sung by Terri Clark. It might not necessarily be about revenge or forgiveness, but about reaction to being wronged.

I would like to get a copy of all the songs on the revenge and forgiveness program. Is that possible? Thanks, emmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I love this music. It is so eclectic from so many listeners. Is there anyway to download this music for my listening pleasure? Or can you make CDs that can be bought? I love the program and the music. Em Crosby

songs on forgiveness
cathie ryan be like the sea
cathie ryan the farthest wave
carrie newcomer i heard an owl
carrie newcomer tornado alley
kathy mattea sending me angels
robin & linda williams shotgun shells on a christmas tree

Did anyone mention John Prine's "Fish and Whistle"?

Father forgive us for what we must do
You forgive us and we'll forgive you
We'll forgive each other til we both turn blue
Then we'll whistle and go fishing in Heaven

Fish and Whistle, Whistle and Fish
Eat everything that they put on your dish
And when we get together we'll make a big wish
That we never have to do this again, again, AGAIN

Regretting What I Said… : Future Fossils, by Christine Lavin
Both Sides of the Tweed: Song for Ireland, by Mary Black (lyrics by Robert Burn)
The House of Orange: From Fresh Water, by Stan Rogers
Dead Man Walking: The Essential Bruce Springsteen, by Bruce Springsteen
Jerusalem: Bowery Songs, by Joan Baez
Winds of the Old Days: The Complete A&M Recordings, by Joan Baez
Mr. Sellack: The Roches, by The Roches

Leonard Cohen's "First We Take Manhattan"

I don't like your fashion business mister
I don't like those drugs that make you thin
I don't like what happened to my sister
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin

ALSO: "Living Well is the Best Revenge" by R.E.M.

Leonard Cohen's "First We Take Manhattan"

I don't like your fashion business mister
I don't like those drugs that make you thin
I don't like what happened to my sister
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin

ALSO: "Living Well is the Best Revenge" by R.E.M.

"First We Take Manhattan" by Leonard Cohen

I don't like your fashion business mister
I don't like those drugs that keep you thin
I don't like what happened to my sister
First we take Manhattan, then we take Berlin

"Rocky Raccoon" -- The Beatles
"The Hangman and the Papist" -- The Strawbs
"Vengeance" -- Carly Simon
"I've Gotta Get a Message to You" -- The BeeGees
"So Sorry" -- Feist

Really recomend "Joe Hill" an old labor spiritual that sums up the difficult years of struggle and redemption that the generation before mine experienced establishing union rights. Especially John Prine's version

I just listened to the broadcast program this morning, and thought immediately of a song. I'm not a big fan of country music, but this piece about forgiveness gets to me every time I hear it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... . Its by Iris Dement. The title is "You've Done Nothing Wrong".

I just listened to the broadcast program this morning, and thought immediately of a song. I'm not a big fan of country music, but this song about forgiveness gets to me every time I hear it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... . Its by Iris Dement. The title is "You've Done Nothing Wrong".

I'm offering a song that addresses forgiveness. This is a song by Toby Mac. It is called START SOMEWHERE...it expresses the hurt of both parties, it expresses the position of who hurt who and why, and it ends with the urgency to resolve the issue before it gets too big. Last line goes: "I'm reaching out my hand in love before the fading sun forgive me for what I've done". The idea is that both parties are hurting...and asking for forgiveness starts the ball rolling. Demand for something in return is flipped and the raw emotion is different because it is open recognizing the vulnerability. Wow moment!!

"Heart of the Matter" by Don Henley is good.

"Heart of the Matter" by Don Henley is good.

Opera is full of melodramatic tales of revenge and forgiveness. Although these themes are universal and remain relevant to modern audiences, often the plots of the operas we know and love seem, well, a bit contrived, unbelievable, and out of date. Contemporary composer John Adams, however, brings these universal themes to the stage with a context that is very much relevant to our world today.

Adams' 1981 opera /The Death of Klinghoffer/ chronicles the true story of a Mediterranean cruise ship that was hijacked by Palestinian terrorists, resulting in the murder of a disabled American Jewish man named Leon Klinghoffer. The opera is a poignant examination of the feelings of hatred and grief on both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. And while it seems that the terrorists and passengers come to a greater understanding of one another and even feel sorry for one another, the opera concludes with a rage-filled aria by Mrs. Klinghoffer having just learned of her husband's death from the ship's captain. It is clear that there will be no forgiveness.

"You embraced them! And now you come, the captain, every vein, stiff with adrenaline, the touch of Palestine on your uniform, and offer me your arm. I would spit on you, but my mouth is dry. I have no spit and no tears yet . . . If a hundred people were murdered and their blood flowed in the wake of this ship like oil, only then would the world intervene. They should have killed me. I wanted to die."

"Understanding" by Solomon Burke
"Ebony & Ivory" by Stevie Wonder & Paul McCartney
"Listen to What The Man Says" by Paul Mccartney
"Walk Your Troybles Down" by Sweet Honey In The Rock
"Shower The People" by James Taylor

My favorite song of forgiveness is "Heart of the Matter" by Don Henley.

"bad diary days" by pedro the lion was the first one that came to my mind, if not about forgiveness specifically, about dealing with contention.

Ida's "For Shame of Doing Wrong" (it's actually a Richard Thompson cover)

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Deb Talen's Forgiven

A Little Bit Me (A Little Bit You) by the Monkees...cuz it is, isn't it?!

I absolutely have to add these gems, which have helped me and my beautiful friends in our journey toward love and forgiveness:

All That We Let In, Indigo Girls
The Wood Song, Indigo Girls
Wings of Forgiveness, India.Arie ("let's keep it movin' "!!!)
Healing, India.Arie
Prayer of St. Francis, Sarah McLachlan

Give to Live by Sammy Hagar

Not Ready to Make Nice by Dixie Chicks

"I Hope You're Happy Now" .....Kathy Mattea.....

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