Paulo Coelho —
The Alchemy of Pilgrimage

The Brazilian lyricist Paulo Coelho is best known for his book, The Alchemist — which has been on the New York Times bestseller list for over 300 weeks. His fable-like stories turn life, love, writing, and reading into pilgrimage. In a rare conversation, we meet the man behind the writings and explore what he’s touched in modern people.

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is the author of many books including The Pilgrimage, Veronika Decides to Die and The Alchemist. His new book is Adultery.

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Wow. This was the most serendipitous episode for me to hear today. I leave next week for the pilgrimage to Compostela, starting from the middle of France. I am college student, and I chose to do this pilgrimage partly to find my own voice as a writer, a trait in myself that for my entire life I have denied out of fear. I had this crazy idea months ago, and constructed an entire semester of independent study around it, and suddenly in this past month the panic has crept in. It's become more about finishing papers and less about understanding the meaning of the walk. It has become more about disbelief over this journey and leaving loved ones than the excitement of what I will discover. In the midst of each crisis of panic,however, I have noticed a clear thought forming, which reads something like this: "These worries prove that I need to take this journey."There is something powerful and rich--and filled, yes, with love--in these experiences of uncertainty. Mr. Coelho, thank you for reminding me of the validity of this thought running through my mind, and for reminding me that it's never too late to work toward a dream. And thanks, Krista, for another wonderful episode before my long journey.

I'm sorry that you set is up as a class for yourself.

I honor your courage to do this pilgrimage and to take on the voices of your own worry. As Mr. Coelho's example shows, it is an inner journey, but has the potential to touch other people. I hope your experience inspires you to create something you can share.

''Reprime tu voz del lloro y tus ojos del llanto ,pues tus penas tendràn recompensa'' Palabra de Dios Sra :Piedad Zenteno.

La búsqueda espiritual es continua para el que tiene esa inclinacion, ir en búsqueda de la espada es como el símbolo de la verdad, del amor, y de unir el yo, tiene magia también, descubrir el verdadero sentido de la vida, del camino del amor, como hace referencia, de las personas comunes .el viaje es un deleite espiritual y por momentos lleno de la misma obscuridad del alma que busca incesantemente respuestas. Citando a Paulo-tenemos siempre la tendencia de fantasear acerca de las cosas y a no ver las lecciones que están delante de nuestros ojos-en algún punto ,me recuerda a castañeda,el viaje es digno de imitar ,no sé cuándo pero también lo hare, probablemente ,busque en ese viaje, respuestas profundas para el alma, ser un poco más sabia, tal vez ,un punto de vista diferente que se me haya pasado por alto en la vida, los viajes abren el alma y la mente y este libro muestra también que el miedo es cosa que puede superarse, Petrus tiene un rol vital y misterioso en la historia, me encanto, y por ultimo dentro de ese mismo misterio que envuelve a Petrus que lo lleva hasta las ultimas palabras, las personas llegan a la hora exacta donde están siendo esperadas. Para esta buenísimo.

The passage with the sentence" Lord I'm not worthy that you come to me, but I speak One Word and I shall be healed" has changed my life around. I used that line as a Mantra and I am healed form allergic attacs. I am greatful for your beautiful book. I hope you'll write many more wonderful books. The Alchemist has touched me deeply. Love Nelleke

I have spent years trying to avoid my "personal legend" as Mr. Coelho refers to it; he is right--it never goes away and it will continue to haunt you. It seems it is a greater burden to not "follow your heart's desire" than to give yourself completely to it. I have begun a part of my journey to live my personal legend and have found great joy in knowing I am being true to myself. I have always believed this is what we are all here for, and it takes great courage of conviction to state it and live it. Love doesn't just mean loving others--although very important; it also means loving ourselves enough to become the persons we are meant to be. When we are true to ourselves, then the world, as a whole, becomes a fountain of inspiration, a place of abundance and possibility, a source of nourishment and comfort. Thank you Ms.Tippett and your production staff for sharing these podcasts with us, and thank you Mr. Coelho for sharing your heart.

I appreciate the notion of each of us remaining undefined. I will never know who I am. I also appreciate Coelho's optimism. However I found Coelho's opinions about the degree to which we cause the manifestation of our "personal legend" unsupported and disappointing. Twice our host pressed for clarification on this topic (i.e. asking about how this applies to people in true poverty). In both cases Coelho used his own experience of ultimately being widely published as evidence that one can manifest one's own "personal legend." This reasoning employs post-hoc and teleological fallacies. I say this not to undermine Coelho. In fact I was so entranced by the interview that I was eager to hear how he believed the universe worked (it "conspires for us"). I was hoping to find answers to big questions. So, while his message is hopeful, it ultimately is not something that I can find comfort in.

I agree with Erin. It's all very well to say that we choose the life we manifest, but Krista's observation that there are very real barriers for those living in poverty was an important one, and it's one that, it seems, Mr. Coelho has no real answer for. Then again, maybe it's not fair to expect him to have an answer to one of humanity's most profound and enduring questions and one of the most troubling social issues in our world. Which is why I still found his talk very inspiring and engaging.

This was the best interview I've heard on "on being"....dare I say..Paulo's words in this dialogue is about to change my life ...thank you Ms Tippett for scoring a great interview

A very beautiful, candid interview. Paulo's sense of humor and embodiment of joy and love came through. A very humble man. LOVE is all you need...hard to achieve for some, but not cheesy at all! ;)

I respect the host's ernest inquiries into philosophical and spiritual matters, but I felt she gave Mr. Coelho an easy pass. The conversation seemed more about how to market one's book than anything else. My impression has always been that the author is a huckster peddling positivism and entitlement. This conversation confirmed my suspicion. It's no wonder he rarely gives interviews.

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I so admire PAULO COELHO and have listened to the episode three times in three days. Two of my favorite voices (Coelho & Tippett) talking about life and art and writing is like breakfast to my brain. I adore how he can give a dose of reality and fantasy in the same sentence. To speak about his struggles as a writer with such beauty and simplicity is a great blessing for me. The Alchemist was one of the books that changed my life and set me also on the course and journey to be a writer. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Paulo Coelho seems to be unable to connect with the ordinary people that live their lives in quiet desperation. Sure he connects with Bill Clinton, Will Farrell and all the other successful people. He has a good understanding of his position in life, how many millions of readers, who the famous people are that read him, and his celebrity. But, only a small percentage of those that embark on a pilgrimage can be famous. Yet he seems to imply that we are all wimps, because we have not made a big name for ourselves. Come on let go, give up striving for worldly things and you will manifest your dreams and be incredibly successful. This sounds like good advice, except when you are living hand-to-mouth as so many are these days. I didn't hear one word of thankfulness, to God for blessing him so. Yea I understand I'm cynical.

I laughed, I cried and I smiled deeply with this interview. I loved the closing comments.

I read a comment below about the listener's hope to learn about how the universe conspires with us. I wonder if the universe he refers more to is the internal one. One which resonates joy.

Having lived in Brasil, experiencing like a shadow the abject poverty of children and elders, joy was a piece of the puzzle about a living- well life. It is not connected nor associated with material possession.

I note Krista refers to the social idols as the pinnacle of "personal legend" but ultimately are not connected with the realities of the masses such as you and me. Paulo states not to judge your legend not in terms of rich or poor.

But I agree it is the anonymous who are truly impoverished. Those whose status is shunned, punished and brutalized. As the Dali Lama has said..This suffering is hard.

In the end I took a cupful of joy from this interview and wished we had more time on the couch to joy deeper.

with thanks
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This man has given me the experience of "elegance" in each and every one of his books. Listening to this talk about our "pilgrimage to Love" feels like a blessing...
sprinkled with simple gems of wisdom. My "camino" was truly a walk with the unseen world that so shapes our life experiences.

This is probably the best interview I have heard with Paulo Coelho, and I think is all due to your gentle sincerity and warmth Krista.
He wasn't on the defensive, but relaxed with you.
I have met Paulo twice. I am the real-life Santiago of The Alchemist. I lived in Andalusia, and long before I had ever heard of his book, cosmic things started to happen in my life, and I found myself going to a land of pyramids after experiencing a life-changing dream after visiting my favourite ruin in the Andalusian countryside.
My account of my odyssey is TREASURE: A Soul Journey with The Alchemist - out on Amazon in Dec 2014 as an ebook. Paulo has found it impossible to believe that his book psychically predicted my own spiritual odyssey. I understand this, but hope that he will change his mind when he reads TREASURE. Wonderful soulful, and loving interview Krista. Congratulations. Karen Williams xxxxxx